Shadowgirls

I thought I would start a new post regarding the logo that Dave posted as the bonus for voting titled "Mythmakers A Tapestry of Shadows".

You can make out a few of the symbols in this picture and until Dave puts up a new picture with out the title blocking out the medallion we must guess on what all the symbols are and how they relate to the story. I can see a few symbols clearly like Charons and Becka's combined and Misty's along with many others like a cross, male, female, sun, moon, ect. There is also the words along the edge of the medallion.



So I was hoping we could break this down from what the symbols are/represent, how they relate to the shadow symbols found on the girls, and what the words on the outside translate into (is it latin like Charon's lower back tattoo?)

The BuxxComix Vote has teh clean one

http://www.buzzcomix.net/in.php?id=d-rod

Thought I'd gather some of the Comic comments relating to this subject here.

D-Rod:
Here’s as many of the words as we’ll divulge at the moment.

Terra: Means Earth. Our earth. The one in turmoil.

Abjura: Rejected; symbolizes many of our characters.

Zeitgei: Abstraction of Zeigeist, symbolizes the longevity of some of the characters and their legacies.

Kharon: Boatman of the river Styx. Which is what the moon of Pluto is named after. Also similar to someone else we know.

Ka: The Soul

Oculusa: Eye. The gateway to the soul. Also a big way of how we communicate with our characters.

D-Rod:
The Symbols: (Starting at the top, going clockwise)

You may have seen that one somewhere.

Symbol of Animiki

Tattoo pattern on Alex’s face in certain instances.

Hand of Fate: Giving direction. Guiding.

Sun and Moon: Ancient witch symbols.

Shaper of fate: Weaving the tapestry.

Familiar symbol seen on the arms of Deep Ones.

The cross and spear. (The witches and the immortal spear wielder, Cartaphilus)

In the center:

The Letter Z with a strike through it: Move along for now.

Plus symbol with a sickle out of it: Nothing to see.

Male symbol: Obvious one there.

Female symbol: Also obvious.

Misty’s Symbol

Becka’s Symbol.

Some other symbol.

Three Tablets=Three Fates.

Charles: If the + and sickle symbol are Saturn then it can represent death. Ghosts, ghouls, vampires and more undead possibly?

And the the Z we may presume Saturn’s opposite: Jupiter.

The only way to link it to the Z on this site is that Alchemists sometimes used it to represent Tin or Electrum. Looking on the same site, it uses a Z with a strike through it. (also note, there’s more than just a straight Z with a strike, the bottom end is slightly curved or has a small strike through it as well).

Jupiter also represents the Extroverted (like Charon) while Saturn represents the Introverted (like Rebecka). The desire to stay the same (Saturn) and the desire to change (Jupiter).

B0unty:
Quick note on the Roman Pantheon for you charles.

The Romans adopted the Greek gods, and adepted them to thier specific needs though a blend of almagamation and reinterpitation. A good example of the first is where the Mood goddess Pallas Artamis, the virgin Huntress, was blended with older Roman dieties Hecatate and ‘drawing a blank’ to become a trumveate goddess of magic and feminime. An example of the other is Ares, who to the greeks was a braggart and a bully, because with a few notable exceptions *cough* Sparta *cough* Greeks weren’t very militant. The goddess of tactics got more worship. Whereas the militant Romans advanced him toa very powerful figure, and even gave him an affair witheh goddess fo lvoe and beauty.

So , there are three gnerations of GREEK gods. The first are the ‘primordals’ Gaia and Uranas (the Earth adn the Sky/Universe). From them were birthed the Titans Chronos and Rhea. And they gave birth to the Gods. In mythology Chonos killed Uranus with a sickle, castrated him, and threw his genitals into the ocean. But since he didn’t fulfill his end of the bargin, his Son, Zues, later killed him.

Now in Roman, Chronos is Saturn, and Jupiter is Zeus, and the severed genitals in the salt water is Venus (THERE’S one for Freud). Mars is the oldest Ligitamate son of Zeus.

So while the symbol for Jupiter may be the sickle and plus, I don’t know about teh Z. I know that niether are standard Alchemicals.

Found the Z on Symbols.com, 15:12 - Sweedish for Werewolf

Charles:
I saw that one as well. But it’s not a Z (wrong way around even when you turn it 90). I can see how that would make sense though. The sickle representing the undead and the Z representing warewolves so It’s still a good possibility.

“The Story of Lycaon”. I think you’ve got it right, the Z-srike is for werewolves/wereAnything and I’m pretty sure I’ve got it right with the +sickle for undead/vamps.

Jupiter was a God who created the first Werewolf (although that was back in the day when they simply changed from a man to a plain wolf by the next full moon, and the same fate for anyone bitten by such a wolf. None of the modern shifting back and forth).

D-Rey:
“Terra = latin for Earth”
Pretty easy one there. Obviously we’re not talking about Teen Titans here.

“Zuggarama = ?? I git one hit for Zugga as a Bengal Diety, and Rama is Hindi for teacher”
Good catch! But isn’t it also very similar to a word or two spoken by Charon in Shadowform? What would a Bengal diety and a Hindi teacher have to do with whatever the hell it is that Charon turns into?

“voraz = ?? I got a spanish word for small fish”
Maybe Voraz is a name? Or place? Could be someone, something, or someplace that no longer exists, like Lemuria, Atlantis or Mu? Or perhaps, like zeitgei=Zeitgiest, the word is obscured? Ooooor, maybe it means fish.

“abjura = latin based reject or foreswear”
Like Terra, too easy. But who rejected what? And are you sure that’s who it’s referring to?

“zeitgei = in German Zeitgiest is ‘Time Spirit” it refers to someone or something existing in a time period where it doesn’t belong, a time traveler”
But doesn’t Zeitgiest basically mean “Spirit of the Age.” And didn’t we recently reveal that there was a Golden Age Shadowgirl? How far back does the legacy go, if there is one? Not to mention, if you read Starkweather… (Again, apologies for those that haven’t.) You’ll recall a certain Roman soldier who’s been around for quite some time too.

“kharon = Ferryman in Greek Myth”
Some of you have mentioned the similarity between the name of Kharon and Charon. Lemme ask this? Granted Charon was born in the Post Generation X era, where hippie parents gave thier kids oddball names like Moonbeam and Sunshine. But Grandma McKay seemed pretty level headed. So what kinda of parent would name thier child after the boatman of the River Styx? Unless… She’s technically not? (That’s as much as yer gettin’ outta me on that subject! )

“ka = The earthbound part of the soul in Egyptian myth”
While not hieroglyphic, doesn’t the eye next to Becka’s symbol look sort of Egyptian in nature of design?

“oculusa = Latin for Eye”
Speaking of eye…

Charles:
terra
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terra_%28mythology%29
As well as “Earth” She’s a goddess (note link to Gaia)

garama
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garamantes
old tribal civilisation. Later became Christian.
not sure on this one but note the GG in zuggarama.
now how does it sound in the word suggest
Getting close to some Hindu sounding stuff (note they love avatars). I think Charon also said nox as well, which is latin for night, or darkness.

varos
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pella_Prefecture
Old Green and mecedonian area (unpassable mountain)
Could also pronounce Pharohs

abjuration
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abjure
guess these guys could be athiests rejecting all mythos. But not also a small link to the Pharaoh Ka below.

zeitgeist
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeitgeist
interesting latin origins

kharon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kharon
was just going to link the first one but noticed another Dr Who link in the list, plus some other interesting ones.

Ka
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ka
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ra
Again the list because of both Ka the soul’s life force (interesting reading there) and Ka the old Pharaoh (note the place he ruled over and it’s old name Abdju). Added Ra for good measure.

ocula
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_of_Ra
eye of ra (note hathor and check her out)

Charles:
For those trying to chase the words here’s all the shadow speach from Charon. But I seem to recall D-Rod saying it was just random garbage except for bits here and there. The line with the question mark makes me think there could be some meaning to the maddnes.

One thing I never thought of is the Daves suggest essence or spirit of the “shadowgirl” has been around for a long time, and all D-rey’s comic covers mention “shadowgirl” but NOT “shadowgirls” and never show them in “shadowform” (at least not the one we’re accustomed to).

Birth:
abjura oui zou amom ruggor!

zuggornamma qui rathag raa graa khalaaz!

Bar:
zurugga klaa nox thrawr?

zatur klaa nox tragg!!

Barn:
klatta zaggar loch zawr!

anung oui zuggarram ram thar!!

zagata skalbla thul!!

skalbla thul!!

B0unty:
ok, quick crash course in Egyptian Meta-physics.

“In Egyptian thought, the human soul is made up of five parts: the Ren, the Ba, the Ka, the Sheut, and the Ib. ”

“The Ka (k3) was the concept of life force, the difference between a living and a dead person, death occurring when the ka left the body”

So after you die, your Ka goes to heaven. YOur Ba remains with your body, and travels back and forth between your Ka and your Body.

Also, I thin the proper phrase is ” Zuggarama Voraz abjura zeightgeist kharon ka oculosa terra”

“[Something] Voraz forswore the spirit of the age, and the spirit passed into the eye of the World.”

Charles:
Just a couple of extra thoughts here.

Charon appeared to be under the control of the “shadowspirit” at Becka’s birth but she was not in shadowform. Now if she is overcome she goes into shadowform.

Becka’s symbol appears on it’s own in the “mythmaker’s tablet” while Charon’s seems like an incomplete version of the one at the top (like it was still forming until Becka was born or something).

A small one, but one of the shadowgirls comic covers has a monster in it. When I look closer, it’s more like the monster is coming out of Charon (or another shadowgirl) rather than attacking her from behind. Heck, maybe as well as the ’shadowgirls’ there’s a ’shadowgirl’ out there somewhere.

I wonder if the different spell colours in Starkweather each relate to a different house of the 12. Maybe each house possesses some unique powers. Although it makes you wonder about the house of Judas

And here are the links to the two pages with the vast majority of these comments plus more.

http://shadowgirlscomic.com/?p=175
http://shadowgirlscomic.com/?p=176

The above two pages have since lost their comments. But the comments have been recovered and posted to the two links below.

HAPPY HOLIDAYS
A NEW BEGINNING

This is the only page which displays even a portion of the mythmaker's tablet which sparked the hunt. A full, unobstructed picture of it was available in the vote incentives for "Happy Holidays" once, but it's long since gone.

http://www.shadowgirlscomic.com/?p=57

And here I was all set to start searching from scratch. Given all that's going on and the appearance of a 'MythMaker' in the comments, this probably deserves a bump. Thanks for preserving this, Charles.

I have two reason's for posting here.

1. Voraz can be translated as the latin word for Abyss
Nodens (the Eldar god granting powers to the McKay Girls) is the "Lord of the Abyss"

2. Bring this old topic back up in the hopes that some of the new readers/members can dig up some new information